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Posted by V.Senthil kumar 0 comments

Re: [agile-testing] Re: What is the difference between QA and Test?

 

Hello,


I can not say that defining the role of a Test Analyst is a bad idea, as DSDM does, is a good idea. I have seen teams not caring about the Quality because this role is not defined. However, I see your point Steve.

So, should we say that it depends on the team?

Having said that, just becasue there are responsabilities, does not mean that the whole team has to help each other.
Using Kanban can be good for this.

What do you think about this.

Gustavo.

On 7 January 2012 18:31, karthikeyan M <gotukarthik@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

IMO: The whole team philosophy I personally feel is only a philosophy.. there are issues like a Developer cannot be an effective QA and the reverse is true as well. Though each one can play the other person's role but not efficiently. So having a full time QA who can think in terms of a Developer , BA is more helpful. And yes I agree that the whole team is responsible for the quality of their deliverable.

 
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Regards
M.Karthikeyan
Mob# 99008 44443
From: Steven Gordon <sgordonphd@gmail.com>
To: agile-testing@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 7 January 2012 2:37 AM

Subject: Re: [agile-testing] Re: What is the difference between QA and Test?
 
In Agile, the whole team is responsible for this.  Having any particular person officially fulfill this role dilutes that responsibility.  It might seem more effective to have such a role in the short term, but it would erode agility in the long term.

So, while QA still exists under Agile as a responsibility, QA should be a shared, collaborative, continuous responsibility not a role that specific people play at specific points in time and others do not.

SteveG

On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, karthikeyan M <gotukarthik@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Personally I feel QA -> Quality Analyst -> means a person whose job role is is to analyze the flow of the project and ensure quality of the project deliverable. The deliverable could be Production Code, Unit/Integration Test Code, Functional Test Code, Any documentation like Release Notes etc... There are also other deliverables like Stories written for every iteration, and those stories should be reviewed by the QA to ensure there is no functional Gap's (sometimes BAs might miss to add an acceptance criteria). Now to emphasize Quality in all these places, the QA can chose to use any appropriate method to achieve the same. When he tests the application to ensure the production code is of good quality, he is referred to as a tester but Philosophically the job doesn't end only with that. 
 
- Karthik




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Posted by V.Senthil kumar 0 comments

[agile-testing] Re: What is the difference between QA and Test?

 

Thanks Malcolm,

I agree that Karthik's post lacked clarity. I could be wrong but I read it that he believes Tester's should understand the roles of others such as Programmers and Business Analysts, but does not believe that a position where people can seamlessly change from Programmer to Tester role is realistic. A subject that probably merits a separate thread...

Cheers,

Adam


--- In agile-testing@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm Anderson <malcolm.b.anderson@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Adam
>
> I had not seen Karthik's name previously, thank you for pointing it out.
>
> Also, thanks for letting me know that my post sounded like I had an opinion
> about what Karthik had stated.
>
> My intent was to get a clarification as to his thinking because his post
> seems to indicate 2 different opinions at the same time.
>
> Thanks
>
> Malcolm
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 2:56 PM, adam_peter.knight
> adam.knight@...wrote:
>
> > **
> >
> >
> > M.Karthikeyan has provided his name, which is a perfectly normal way of
> > presenting himself, possibly just not in a western culture, and a
> > shortened version, "Karthik" in a previous post. You may not agree with
> > what he is saying but I think that we should respect that anyone from
> > any culture should be able to contribute here openly and present
> > themselves in a way that they are comfortable with given their
> > background.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Adam.
> >
> >
> > --- In agile-testing@yahoogroups.com, Malcolm Anderson
> > malcolm.b.anderson@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi M
> > >
> > > First off, what is the best name for you? M seem a little short and
> > > Karthikeyan seems like a last name
> > >
> > > Anyway ...
> > >
> > > I'm not sure what you mean when you say "is only a philosophy."
> > >
> > > If I were to use those words, it would mean that I was dismissing the
> > idea
> > > as "an interesting idea."
> > >
> > > It's clear that you do not mean this.
> > >
> > > Can you help me understand what you do mean?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Malcolm
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Malcolm Anderson
> > > Scrum Coach & Agile Engineer
> > > http://www.PragmaticAgility.com/blog
> > <http://www.pragmaticagility.com/blog>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 9:31 AM, karthikeyan M gotukarthik@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > **
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > IMO: The whole team philosophy I personally feel is only a
> > philosophy..
> > > > there are issues like a Developer cannot be an effective QA and the
> > reverse
> > > > is true as well. Though each one can play the other person's role
> > but not
> > > > efficiently. So having a full time QA who can think in terms of a
> > Developer
> > > > , BA is more helpful. And yes I agree that the whole team is
> > responsible
> > > > for the quality of their deliverable.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -
> > > > Regards
> > > > M.Karthikeyan
> > > > Mob# 99008 44443
> > > > ------------------------------
> >
>

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